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Hold My Scalpel: Dr. Stephanie Muh on Being the 7% in Surgery's Mostly Male Specialty

Episode Summary

What does it take to thrive in a specialty where only 7% of practicing surgeons look like you? Dr. Stephanie Muh — board-certified orthopedic surgeon, shoulder and elbow specialist, NIR Circle member, associate editor, researcher, and the woman who decided in third grade she wanted to be a "bone doctor" — joins The Imposter Roster to talk about the gap between a credential-packed CV and the voice inside that still asks, am I enough? From her first rejection from medical school to designing surgical implants on weekends, Dr. Muh takes us inside a field that still defaults to the image of a tall, muscular white male — and explains why she decided to make the field fit her, rather than the other way around. She's candid about peer resistance, lower patient review scores that research confirms women in medicine face, and why seeking a professional coach isn't weakness — it's the move that separates good surgeons from great leaders. If you've ever been the only one in the room who looked like you, questioned whether the room even wanted you there, and showed up anyway — this episode is your people.

Episode Notes

Dr. Stephanie Muh didn't just choose orthopedic surgery — she wrote it down in the third grade and never looked back. Her elementary school teacher kept that letter and returned it to her after medical school graduation. Now a board-certified orthopedic surgeon specializing in shoulder and elbow pathology, Dr. Muh has more than 90 peer-reviewed publications, serves on multiple national committees, lectures internationally, and is joining the University of Pittsburgh's Department of Orthopedic Surgery. She's also one of only 7% of orthopedic surgeons in the country who is female.

 

What We Get Into

Episode Transcription

The Imposter Roster (00:38)

My guest today is someone who has quite literally dedicated her life to helping people lift, reach, and throw without wanting to cry about it. Dr. Stephanie Muh is a board certified orthopedic surgeon specializing in shoulder and elbow pathology. She earned her medical degree from Drexel University, completed her residency at Henry Ford Hospital, and pursued fellowship training at Case Western Reserve.

 

She's a member of the prestigious NIR Circle, an associate editor for JSES International, and has served on committees for both the American Orthopedic Association and the American Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons. She's lectured on multiple continents, participated in international traveling fellowships, and authored more than 90 peer-reviewed publications.

 

Several of which have been finalists for best clinical research awards. Hour Detroit, our local magazine, has named her a top doc multiple times and she's about to join the University of Pittsburgh's Department of Orthopedic Surgery. Dr. Stephanie Muh, welcome to the Impostor roster.

 

So Dr. Muh, 90 plus publications, international fellowships, top docs,

 

And yet here you are telling the story they don't put on a plaque. So how does this come to be? Can you just give me little bit of your background? Like why orthopedic surgery? How did you get to that?

 

Stephanie Muh (02:15)

Yeah.

 

Yeah. ⁓ thanks for having me on the show. ⁓ I mean, that's a question I get all the time. And to be honest with you, it's, I think it's been my path my whole life. ⁓ I can't say I knew it, but I can tell you in the third grade when we were told to write what we were going to do in the future, you know, what we wanted to be when we grew up, wrote firefighter or teacher or policeman.

 

I wrote I wanted to be a bone doctor and this was in the third grade. I actually don't remember this. All right, but my elementary school teacher found me after medical school graduation and after I found out I was going to orthopedics, she actually had the letter still and gave it back to me. It showed me in the third grade that's what I wrote that I wanted to be. And I didn't really know what a bone doctor was at that time.

 

The Imposter Roster (03:13)

was going to ask you, like how does somebody come up with bone doctor when you're eight?

 

Stephanie Muh (03:17)

Yeah,

 

yeah. I mean, I've always been a rambunctious kid, always doing sports. You know, I did martial arts as a young age and I was always, you know, I was always in the doctor's office for some sort of orthopedic, what I found out later, orthopedic injuries. So I'm sure that had an impact as to what I wanted to become. saw, I was fascinated by

 

them kind of getting me back on the field or back into sports and letting me, you know, heal and get back to doing what I enjoy doing. And I knew that that's something that fascinated and fascinated me and something I wanted to do for the rest of my life.

 

The Imposter Roster (04:03)

So when you decided, you know, as an adult, okay, I think this is the route I'm going to take. Were there any concerns? I mean, because A, being a doctor, you know that's a long, hard path. And it doesn't matter what kind of doctor. But, you know, an orthopedic doctor, there's a lot. Were you concerned about that?

 

Stephanie Muh (04:25)

Yeah.

 

Yes. ⁓ You know, when I first said I wanted to go to medical school,

 

I was naive. I have no one in my family who's in medicine. I don't really have friends who are doctors or their parents that were doctors, but I just said, I want to go to medical school. And it was only when I started looking into what it took that I realized the path I was choosing, you know? And then the reality was, I didn't know if I get the test scores that they needed. I wasn't a straight A student in college. I did well, but I wasn't on a Dean's list every single semester.

 

⁓ So I just wondered, was I good enough to be a medical doctor even though I knew that's what I was meant to be?

 

The Imposter Roster (05:14)

You know, that's what I'm really glad you brought that up. You know, this grades thing. Yeah, grades. Are they important? Well, they are certainly an element of determining if this is the right path for someone. But now that you've been in the field for so long and you look back and you might not have gotten that, you know, 100 or 4.0, did that make a difference in what you do today as a professional?

 

Stephanie Muh (05:44)

No, mean, it's obviously you have to have some level of knowledge and some ability to be able to learn. There's a certain level of skill that has to come with that. Does that come with grades? Not all the time because test scores are a reflection of test taking abilities. And there's a lot of research out there that show test taking abilities are often related to other

 

The Imposter Roster (05:57)

Mm-hmm.

 

Stephanie Muh (06:13)

societal factors that ⁓ are not available to all people within our society. So there are many things that, you know, ⁓ certain parts of our society have access to that others don't. That means that they can possibly do better on a test. That doesn't necessarily mean they're smarter or better for the job.

 

The Imposter Roster (06:21)

Yes.

 

Well, given your work as an orthopedic surgeon, and I think the fact that you said at such a young age, not even really knowing what that is, that I want to be a bone doctor, the passion that you have, would you say that's really what is propelling you to do the things you've done so far? Because let's face it, it's not like you're 75 years old. You've already accomplished so much in your field. You are one of the top specialists.

 

And that's not just for the Detroit area, I know that. I mean, would you say it's really, yes, the grades, to your point, they matter, but the passion that you have for what it is you want to do because it's helping people, that's really what makes you the good doctor, yes?

 

Stephanie Muh (07:23)

Absolutely. mean, ⁓ you know, one thing I tell people is that this isn't a job. This is my life. You know, the reality is I eat, breathe and sleep in some way, orthopedics, because that's just who I am. And that's what brings me joy with what I can do, whether it's teaching, whether it's mentoring younger people, whether it's helping my patients and seeing the outcomes. You know, that is what drives me.

 

The Imposter Roster (07:30)

Yeah.

 

Stephanie Muh (07:52)

to be the best person that I can be out there and drive the medical field. One of my continued passions is to continue to innovate and push the field of shoulder and elbow surgery to the next level. And you can only do that if you're passionate about the topic.

 

The Imposter Roster (08:09)

Well, I guess that's true because the technologies, I mean, you must be reading a whole lot of white papers and doing a lot of research on what's, you know, you're busy doing your patient load and your surgeries, but you're also having to spend time reviewing what's coming up so that you can figure out how do I integrate this into my practice? How do I help my service be better to those who need it? Right.

 

Stephanie Muh (08:35)

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I easily do 78 hours, 80 hours worth of work a week. And I'm not just reading about it. I'm actually involved with it. So I work with industry to ⁓ design new implants, design new instruments. ⁓ You know, big thing in orthopedics is what we call enabling technology. How do we bring robots, navigation, AI into our field? So I'm, you know,

 

Again, because of my passion to continue to push this specialty forward, I am involved with industry to work on that stuff because that's part of my passion. So I want to be known as one of the leading surgeons with knowledge and making an impact in this field.

 

The Imposter Roster (09:27)

You know, how

 

I'm wondering, so when you say that you're part of like the research and development of things ⁓ in particular, when you're looking at an actual, I don't know what you call apparatus. I don't know. How, how do you do that? Like what is, just give me an example of what is your part in it? Are you in a lab? Are you looking at materials? What are you doing?

 

Stephanie Muh (09:52)

So as ⁓ a surgeon consultant with an industry ⁓ company, oftentimes if you're lucky enough to be invited to be a design surgeon, as they call it, we're kind of involved from beginning to end. We're involved starting with concept. We have meetings with engineers. ⁓ Other surgeons are involved.

 

It's always the questions, where's there a gap or what is their need to provide? What is not out there yet? And so they, know, in an industrial company, we bring together a very small group of surgeons with expertise in that particular area where they feel like, well, maybe we don't have this implant that can treat a specific type of need with our, you know, in the shoulder world with our patients.

 

You they come, you come together and you kind of work from the very beginning. You have design meetings and then from there, the engineers do their magical work and start making prototypes for us. They, they also work on, you know, biomechanical testing to make sure these are going to withstand the rigors of the FDA and natural use and, you know, have a longevity to it. And we go to labs.

 

on weekends, on our free time, and we then trial these things. You know, we are often doing them on either model bones or cadavers to simulate more realistic situations. And this is, you know, can take one to two years of involvement. And we're constantly evolving, dischanging design until we've come to the conclusion of what we feel is the best implant or best design.

 

The Imposter Roster (11:29)

Mm-hmm.

 

Stephanie Muh (11:45)

before the industry kind of then takes it to the next step to commercialize it.

 

The Imposter Roster (11:50)

I think it is every area of medicine is really important. I believe that. But one of the things about your area, freedom of movement is so important. What it feels like when you can't, whether it's move your arm, move your leg, a prosthetic, et cetera, that the freedom that you afford another human by the technologies that are developed, that you enable them to take care of themselves in various ways.

 

Stephanie Muh (12:07)

Yeah.

 

The Imposter Roster (12:19)

That is irreplaceable because everybody wants to feel like they can be self-sufficient, if not fully, at least to some extent. you know, I really applaud you for choosing this particular area of medicine. But then it brings me to this question. So you're here on a show that, ⁓ well, it implies that you've somehow along the way incurred experiences.

 

that in spite of your achievements, in spite of your successes, got you questioning, am I where I should be? Am I enough? Can I go any further? So what's been going on with you that you can explain to us that, we're not the only ones. You've experienced it too.

 

Stephanie Muh (13:11)

Yeah, I mean, I think orthopedics is a especially sensitive area for this. I'm not sure if you're aware, but in the field of orthopedics, there's only 7 % of us are females who are practicing surgeons. That's nationwide. 7 % of orthopedic surgeons are females.

 

The Imposter Roster (13:31)

Why?

 

Why only 7 %?

 

Stephanie Muh (13:33)

That's the big question. If you look at our training, the residents, we've done a little bit better recently, but we're only at 15 % in terms of our trainees. We are, for many years, it's well established orthopedics is the absolute worst specialty in incorporating or having females.

 

as their surgeons. are worse in neurosurgery. We are worse than urology. are worse than plastic surgery. Orthopedics is the very bottom on that. And the needle is only going at a snail's pace forward. I think there are people trying, but it's moving slowly.

 

The Imposter Roster (14:24)

You don't know why. mean, this to me is, it's kind of mystifying.

 

Stephanie Muh (14:26)

There's, yeah,

 

I mean, it really is. There's a lot of theories. There's a lot of, you know, possible factors, you know? ⁓ I think if you ask a person out in the public, if they think of an orthopedic surgeon, or if you see a meme of an orthopedic surgeon, what do you see? You're going to see a white male athlete, right, who is

 

The Imposter Roster (14:56)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Stephanie Muh (14:56)

possibly ⁓

 

muscular, tall, strong. And if somebody were to say you're gonna see an orthopedic surgeon, that's probably what pops into any person's head. And that's a big mold that we're fighting or we're trying to change because that's not orthopedics. ⁓

 

The Imposter Roster (15:04)

Yeah. Yeah.

 

So

 

why is that though? So I guess maybe that's how it began. But can you see why it would be so hard? Okay, so you clearly are not a tall white male. Okay, so that being the case, what is it that would be considered you'd be lacking in just because you're not that? mean...

 

Stephanie Muh (15:48)

Well,

 

part of it is for whatever reason, a lot of people think this is a strength ⁓ specialty. You've got to be strong to be muscular to be able to do this job because we do work with instruments that tend to be a little bit quote unquote more manly. We use things like hammers and stalls and drills, ⁓ you know. ⁓

 

Some people may say we're sort of a little bit carpentry work if you, you know, but I mean, the reality is we also use very, you know, finesse type of instruments with like scopes and, know, ⁓ again, robots and, you know, different instruments like that, but there's a perception and that perception even passes on to other subspecialties. So even when females are going through training through medical school,

 

The Imposter Roster (16:20)

It sounds like carpentry work.

 

Stephanie Muh (16:46)

It's been shown that females are often discouraged by other females not to go into orthopedics because it's felt to be, you don't know if you'll be able fit in to that field.

 

The Imposter Roster (17:00)

So what does that fit in part mean to you or to someone who's trying to enter the field? What does that mean fit in?

 

Stephanie Muh (17:12)

For me personally, fit in means you make them fit to you. I don't think the normal traditional ⁓ perceptions are real. I think that's exactly what they are. That's a perception or mirage, right? For me, I felt that I could break that mirage and...

 

The Imposter Roster (17:13)

Mm-hmm.

 

Stephanie Muh (17:41)

have the field fit to who I am, you know, because my passion is orthopedics. And it's not just a brute strength type of thing. It's not just a male dominated thing, but I think we are working very hard to try to change that perception. And it is slowly improving, but it's at a slow pace.

 

The Imposter Roster (18:08)

Do you have any particular incidences? And actually, with respect to the bone, I know there's bone saws, I've heard of such a thing, I can't even imagine, there are those pieces of equipment, but they're going in a human body, so the finesse portion of it ⁓ that I would say is pretty critical, and the hard bone sawing.

 

of it is really minimal compared to what has to happen to get right.

 

Stephanie Muh (18:41)

Absolutely.

 

You're absolutely right. Anybody can use a drill. Right? You can go to Home Depot and pick up a drill and push a Right? Right. Right. That's, I mean, it's, that's kind of how all these tools work. Right? But if you, if you look at society, again, these are gender norms. Females aren't given those tools at a young age, so they're not as comfortable.

 

The Imposter Roster (18:50)

That's kind of sort of what you do sometimes.

 

Mm-hmm.

 

True.

 

True.

 

Stephanie Muh (19:10)

using these things. Now again, society is getting better in general with this, but it's continues to be a bit of a slow process. And so I think if we can break that perception, I think, you know, we'll continue to make strides. know, a perfect example of this is if somebody were to dislocate a hip for whatever reason, an injury.

 

⁓ A lot of people are going to think, wow, that's going to take a lot of strength to pop that back, know, pop that hip back in. You've got to lever and pull and all those muscles and, you know, but the reality, it's actually a leverage thing. And if you understand physics and how to use leverage, it actually doesn't take much force at all.

 

The Imposter Roster (19:57)

Mm-hmm.

 

And that actually is what people don't, people don't see those parts. You know, they just see big bone, small doctor, how are you going to do that? And in fact, it's like, yeah, I'm using my brain to do that. That's what's happening. I was trained how to do this and that's why you can move out of the way, junior, I'll take care of it. ⁓ So have you had, do you have, I guess,

 

Stephanie Muh (20:11)

Great.

 

Great.

 

Exactly. Exactly.

 

Right.

 

The Imposter Roster (20:31)

maybe an instance where you could relay something you might have experienced that might have made you say, ⁓ did I choose wisely on this career path thing?

 

Stephanie Muh (20:43)

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I've multiple of the times I question myself. Even now, I question myself. Even now, you know, we all go through struggles in life. And I do feel as females, we probably have higher expectations put on us, even though it's not said. And we can also be harder on ourselves.

 

The Imposter Roster (20:50)

Even now?

 

Stephanie Muh (21:13)

⁓ I mean, there's actually quite good literature to show female doctors, and this is not just an orthopedic thing, but this is in all of medicine, female doctors get worse patient reviews. They get scored lower. More complaints are often about female doctors. And this is not just orthopedics. is throughout medicine. ⁓

 

I think it's because as female doctors, we break the norm and sometimes we are a little bit more vocal, we're more direct, we're more commanding, which is not, that again goes against traditional societal norms. And so people will say, oh, she's a bee, right? Because you as a female,

 

The Imposter Roster (21:51)

Mm-hmm.

 

Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

Stephanie Muh (22:13)

They don't want to hear it from us saying these things where you get a different reaction from a male. So.

 

The Imposter Roster (22:21)

no, the exact same thing

 

can be said by a man and nobody bats an eye. A woman says, was like, exactly.

 

Stephanie Muh (22:26)

That's just ⁓ that's just John or that's just my

 

you know, that's just who they are But if a female says and it's how dare She say that and

 

The Imposter Roster (22:36)

Exactly. Then know that you're

 

right. I mean that that I know to be absolutely true.

 

Stephanie Muh (22:43)

Right. And so, you know, even till to this day, I've, you know, I struggle with this and, you know, comments are made and it makes me wonder, am I really that bad? You know, do all my patients hate me? ⁓

 

The Imposter Roster (23:02)

Are

 

you hearing this from patients? Are you hearing this from peers who want you to believe that patients are saying it?

 

Stephanie Muh (23:10)

So it's hard to know because oftentimes it's not transparent. But my recent experiences tell me it's, it's my patients are very appreciative of what I do for them. So, you know, everyone's going to have, I should step back. Not everyone's going to have a perfect encounter with every doctor.

 

The Imposter Roster (23:15)

Mm-hmm.

 

Nope. Yep.

 

Stephanie Muh (23:39)

There are personalities

 

that are involved. cannot pick that out. That doesn't mean we're not trying to do our best. I think every doctor out there is always just trying to do their best for their patients. But there's definitely a personality issue. There's perception issues. There's cultural issues. And sometimes that's why there's multiple doctors out there. can always get a second opinion or whatnot.

 

I do think, you know, I've encountered situations throughout my career where peers have tried to make me feel less than I am as I try to achieve greatness of being a good person and a good doctor.

 

The Imposter Roster (24:29)

And as you know,

 

people, when you use the term, I try to achieve greatness. That's what they, I hate to say it, there are some, your peers who don't want to see that, unfortunately.

 

Stephanie Muh (24:44)

Yeah, I would agree. Right. Yes, you you would hope that in all situations, we're pushing each other up and we're lifting each other up, but that's, unfortunately, that's not the case all the time.

 

The Imposter Roster (24:46)

and you would think you would be supported.

 

So

 

you must be doing in order to, because you're still moving forward. Nothing is stopping you. You're still moving forward. So what is your self-talk? What is it that you say to yourself, if you're not gonna get this from a peer, if you're not gonna get the support you would think you would get, what do you do to support yourself to say, okay, I'm not going backwards, that's for sure. I worked too long and too hard to get here. I'm gonna keep moving.

 

Stephanie Muh (25:09)

Yes.

 

The Imposter Roster (25:34)

What is it that you do for yourself to propel you forward?

 

Stephanie Muh (25:39)

I think I've spent a lot of time, you know, a lot of time in my career and more so I think recently looking for additional ⁓ areas of support. So if I don't have it locally, there are societies of other professional surgeons and I look for mentorship through there. I've looked

 

that I've used, you know, I'm not ashamed to say I've used professional coaching and I think every professional who is looking to develop their leadership skills can benefit from professional coaching because yeah, it's given me a different perspective, a third party view of how to approach things. ⁓ We can always get better with our reactions and

 

The Imposter Roster (26:22)

Absolutely.

 

Yes.

 

Stephanie Muh (26:38)

and how we navigate stress. you know, my coach has been invaluable for that. And so have my mentors, other leaders in the field, you know, just having the opportunity to talk with them and ask their advice. There are amazing advisors, sponsors, and advocates in any specialty.

 

out there but you do have to put yourself be willing to put yourself out there to look for that as well as be willing to accept that advice.

 

The Imposter Roster (27:17)

You cannot be a professional in any industry and operate in a vacuum. You cannot do that. And especially I know that you do do mentoring and you coach, you know, younger individuals, I think primarily female, primarily girls. Is that true?

 

Stephanie Muh (27:24)

Right.

 

Most, ⁓

 

I mean, for the most part, I've been involved with multiple ⁓ initiatives. You know, at Henry Ford, I brought in to the Department of Orthopedics something called the Perry Initiative, which is a nonprofit organization to try to improve recognition for women, minorities, underrepresented.

 

people to the field of orthopedics. So they host a yearly program. It's open to all genders and races, but anyone who feels they've been, you know, have some sort of ⁓ struggles or I should say, ⁓ disadvantage. we host a workshop once a year for that. I've also sponsored, ⁓ summer interns through something called the Nth Dimension.

 

which is a very similar type of program where I get assigned a medical student from an underrepresented community and they come up and work with me for the whole summer to work on research to help them with their CV. So, you know, it's not always women for me, but it's really important for me, cultural and any form of underrepresented ⁓

 

person should have access.

 

The Imposter Roster (29:04)

Well,

 

it's important because, you know, we're human. And if we can't see us doing that thing, we don't see someone who looks like us or sounds like us or feels like us, then we figure, I guess that's not available to me then when in fact it is. So what you're doing is you're widening the playing field for these individuals so they can determine is it a fit or not.

 

Stephanie Muh (29:24)

Absolutely.

 

Right.

 

The Imposter Roster (29:34)

Therefore the coaching that you're getting you know just think about it if you just went with only the things you know and no other input You're gonna the people with whom you speak the ones that you encounter They're gonna have some things that maybe you weren't ready to coach them on or mentor them on but because you've had coaching It's like ⁓ okay. All right this I had this input. I know how to better explain or

 

⁓ showcase to this child or this young person how they really could do this thing. You'll have more tools. So I think it's really underrated going to others for assistance. It does not mean that you're lacking. It does not mean that you can't do it. It means that you know that you can't know everything.

 

Stephanie Muh (30:26)

Right. It doesn't, what I like to tell people, it doesn't mean you're weak. It actually means you're strong.

 

The Imposter Roster (30:32)

Yes, absolutely. means you're strong. I'm strong enough to say, yeah, I don't know everything and I'm going to go get more knowledge so I can be of more benefit to you. And really that's the part where the Ukrainian in me wants to duke it out and say, you want to fight me on that?

 

Stephanie Muh (30:34)

You know, you're exactly.

 

Right.

 

Right, right, it's to stand down, right? I'm

 

the same way. You never wanna stand down, but what I've come to understand as I've matured is that it's not a sign of weakness, it's actually a sign of strength for your growth. And yeah.

 

The Imposter Roster (30:58)

No.

 

So with respect to growth ⁓ and really anyone who's considering, and it doesn't really even have to be a doctor, but you are a surgeon, you are a doctor, and you have encountered, I can only imagine how many different instances in your career that took some strength to get through. Do you have any words of wisdom for someone who'd be listening that ⁓

 

you feel would be germane to your development. Like, man, this is what I live by when things get really rough or I'm really starting to question who I am. I fall back on this thing. Do you have anything?

 

Stephanie Muh (31:48)

Yeah, I mean, I think the hardest thing, but the most important thing that people need to remember is just to continue to believe in yourself. If, you know, you're going to have setbacks, that's life. I've had setbacks. You know, when I first applied to medical school, I didn't get in. And that was a huge question. was like, am I worth it? Am I doing the right thing? But I doubled down.

 

you know, and I said, you know what, I'm putting all the chips in the basket. I believe in what I, who I am and what I'm gonna do and what I can be. And I'm just gonna go for it. ⁓ I think that resilience and grit is what you have to have. And you have to remember to rely on that and rely on your belief to push forward.

 

The Imposter Roster (32:39)

Well, you said you had the passion. So what sounds like you're also saying to yourself is how bad do you want it then? And because you know you want it bad. And the want it bad is not the title, not all the things that you've done, but to be able to practice your craft, to be able to practice your passion, to be able to help others in a way that is so ⁓ significant, like I said, giving them back their freedom. I mean, seriously.

 

Stephanie Muh (32:50)

Right.

 

The Imposter Roster (33:09)

That grit part is like, bad do you want it? I want it. I want it bad. Right?

 

Stephanie Muh (33:14)

Right,

 

right. And exactly. And then are you really were willing to put the money where your mouth is? You know what I mean? And, and, and do it, you know, it's not any, it's not always an easy path, you know, especially for people who don't have those interconnections, which, which is me, you know, I'm a first generation American born my parents were immigrants. Um,

 

Again, no family connection in medicine, no real knowledge of what the path was. You know, it's only later you find out, my friends, wow, they were volunteering in the doctor's office in high school because that's what they were told to do. you know, I didn't have that. And so I just, again, I don't know how else to say it, but other than, you know, I just felt that I had that resilience to really

 

do what it is I needed to do to be able to follow my passion.

 

The Imposter Roster (34:12)

Well,

 

I don't know, Dr. Muh, it sounds like you also had that little, don't you tell me what to do kind of thing going on in you.

 

Stephanie Muh (34:20)

Yeah

 

For sure. I never like to be told you can't, you know, you're not good enough. Right? Right. Right. I'll show you. I'll show you. Yeah. No, that definitely, that definitely plays a role, you know, you know, and, but I'll admit it's also something as you grow older in the field, you have to learn to temper that down a bit.

 

The Imposter Roster (34:26)

Nope, that's the quickest way to get you to do it. It's like, ⁓ I can't do it. Okay then, hold my scalpel. Yeah.

 

Yeah. Yeah, but you know what?

 

Stephanie Muh (34:53)

You you

 

grow, it's growth, right?

 

The Imposter Roster (34:56)

Hey, you need it your youth. you're going down a path that you know is going to be pretty interesting, you do need that pep and that vinegar in you to get you... Yeah, you do need it. And then after a while, you can just have it like a smolder. It doesn't have to be a complete bonfire. So... No, the world can do that for us, actually. So...

 

Stephanie Muh (35:06)

Yeah, that fire.

 

Right.

 

Right. I don't have to keep putting gasoline on it anymore, but I do have. Right. No,

 

yeah.

 

The Imposter Roster (35:26)

I would say, Dr. Muh, that it's pretty clear that you've encountered a lot of things that, you know, some of us will never encounter. Some of us have encountered in a different way. ⁓ But this idea of you possibly being an imposter and maybe I shouldn't be here or maybe I'm not worth it. I think you have absolutely shown that yes.

 

You are worth it and you should be here, but definitely not on the roster. So we raise a glass to you and we congratulate you for leaping off the imposter roster.

 

Stephanie Muh (36:12)

Thank you. Thank you. But I'll tell you.

 

I may be taking the jump off the Imposter Roster, but I'm going to take more people with me.

 

The Imposter Roster (36:24)

I hope you do then you know what I want to talk to every one of them because Every one of you are making a difference and we are so very very grateful for all you do and all you will continue to do So I'd like to thank you. Dr. Muh for taking time from your busy schedule to talk to us here

 

Stephanie Muh (36:36)

I appreciate it.

 

I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about this. It's an important topic.

 

The Imposter Roster (36:50)

It really is and thank you to all of you for taking your time to listen to this particular podcast I was very excited to have dr. Muh on here and I do hope that you do the best that you can to promote yourself and those around you because we really do need each other and we are all worth it. Bye. Bye

 

Stephanie Muh (37:12)

Absolutely.

Bye.